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  Look at this ...

  by Old Goat in

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  one of the authors of the soon to be published history of the watch tower's early years posted a small part of it in "rough draft.

  " take a look http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ .

  if you like their work (i think its superior, even in rough draft), give them some encouragement.. .

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  I don't know where the footnotes are. When they post on their private blog they always include them. I think they were lost in the formatting. She mentions formatting problems. Schulz is a very long-term Witness, apparently from the early 1950s. He teaches history and literature. Dr. de Vienne was never a Witness. As she expressed it somewhere, she raises children and goats and teaches gifted students. I think they intend to self-publish.
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  Look at this ...

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the authors of the soon to be published history of the watch tower's early years posted a small part of it in "rough draft.

  " take a look http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ .

  if you like their work (i think its superior, even in rough draft), give them some encouragement.. .

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  Old Goat

  One of the authors of the soon to be published history of the watch tower's early years posted a small part of it in "rough draft." Take a look http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

  If you like their work (I think its superior, even in rough draft), give them some encouragement.
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  Is it common to,,,

  by label licker in

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  have a local needs on apostasy, have everyone shun you, have no shepherding calls since you left for over a year, and now a jc tomorrow evening????????.

  spoke to branch committee as well as co and they said to go and if we were treated unfairly then to call the co. don't get it.

  the co would have known about the local needs talk on apostasy and says if we were treated unfairly to call him.

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  Ask them if they re-read the procedures in the KMS book. It sounds as if they haven't. Tell them you will have to consult a lawyer and you will probably bring one. Tell them that if they have only gossip, there are no grounds for a committee meeting. Remind them that similar gossip is not evidence. They must have two witnesses at least or they should shelve it. Tell them you are prepared to sue them for defamation based on assertions they've made to others that you can document. Tell them that Elders who spread slanderous gossip in the guise of "investigation" are liable to their own committee hearing. And a law suit.

  Spit in their eye.
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  Do you think "Blondie" is addicted to reading Watchtowers and Awakes?

  by booker-t in

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  i remember when i was a "devout" jws i could not wait to get the new watchtowers and awakes from the wednesday nite theocratic ministry school.

  i would actually salivate thinking of the new information jehovah had in the magazines for us.

  i was "franatical" and i would go home still in my three piece suit and devour the magazines that very nite.

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  An internet troll on a religion board? Typical. Live your own life, and let Blondie lead hers. Were you a control freak when in the Watch Tower too?

  If you don't like her posts, don't read them.
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  Do you think "Blondie" is addicted to reading Watchtowers and Awakes?

  by booker-t in

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  i remember when i was a "devout" jws i could not wait to get the new watchtowers and awakes from the wednesday nite theocratic ministry school.

  i would actually salivate thinking of the new information jehovah had in the magazines for us.

  i was "franatical" and i would go home still in my three piece suit and devour the magazines that very nite.

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  An internet troll on a religion board? Typical. Live your own life, and let Blondie lead hers. Were you a control freak when in the Watch Tower too?

  If you don't like her posts, don't read them.
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  Are the GB Mental

  by moley in

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  just a thought, do the gb actually beleive they are gods chosen reps and truly beleive this crap or are they just in it for the power and the authority.

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  Dear Cedars:

  Amen, brother. That's exactly right.
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  Did Anyone Apply To Go To Bethel, And Not Be Accepted?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

  1. jw
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  the brother i loved, married someone else.

  at the ripe old age of 20, i thought my life was over.

  if i was catholic, i probably would have joined a nunnery.

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  A forty minute discussion with N. H. Knorr (long before most of you were born) convinced me that Bethel wasn't for me. I pioneered and 'traveled" instead. I probably should have gone. I would have opened my eyes decades sooner. I had very mixed feelings about Knorr. I watched him behave as a dictator and as a loving Christian. I'm not sure he knew which he really was. Franz, on the other hand, was always a fruitcake. The Watch Tower is well rid of him.
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  update on new history of Watch Tower

  by Old Goat in

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  those of you who read my posts know my primary interest in history.

  i've posted many times about schulz and de vienne's first book and directed you to their history blog.

  i think their work is exceptional.

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  Those of you who read my posts know my primary interest in history. I've posted many times about Schulz and de Vienne's first book and directed you to their history blog. I think their work is exceptional. Miss de Vienne has posted an update on their forth-coming book. It is the first volume of two. I think her essay is well worth reading:

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

  I've exchanged a few emails with Dr. de Vienne. She has a hugely funny way of putting things. I read her novel too. I think we can expect balance from these authors. The parts of their work I've read are very informative. They take you to places you'd never think of going for Watch Tower details. Some of it is just interersting. Some truly informative. Give her essay a read.
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  did Russell come up with 1914 via the pyramid or just confirm it via pyramid

  by Crazyguy in

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  so i read somewhere that the 1914 date came from bourbor and that russell used the pyramid to confirm his belief in 1914. its this accurate?

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  John Aquila Brown was a silver and gold smith, and apparently an Anglican. He was a Literalist. That is, he believed in the plain sence of the scriptures rather than a spiritualizing sense. Schulz and de Vienne explain the Literalist influences on Russell in their new, forth coming book. This is an entire area that was new to me, as far as Russell is concerned. When Barbour stopped at the British Library in 1859, and later at the Astor Library in NYC, he consulted books on prophecy. The one he mentions is Elliott's Horae. But Isaac Wellcome says Barbour used Brown too. This is probable. A brief bio of J. A. Brown is found in Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet.

  Chronological speculation extends back to the medieval era. Some of it is very detailed, some not. A good general history of last days speculation is L. E. Froom's Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers. Be aware that Froom was a die-hard SDA professor. He tries to make some who would have soundly rejected his doctrine into predecessors of the SDA faith. But it is a good introduction to the subject. Isaac Newton, William Whiston, the German Lutheran expositors such as Piscator all dabbled in it. Millerites were late comers. So was Brown.
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  did Russell come up with 1914 via the pyramid or just confirm it via pyramid

  by Crazyguy in

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  so i read somewhere that the 1914 date came from bourbor and that russell used the pyramid to confirm his belief in 1914. its this accurate?

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  Old Goat

  Okay, so this old man isn't done. The idea of an invisilble parousia did not come for the Whites or SDA teachers. The idea is found in 17th century Anglican and Separatist writers, except back then they didn't call it an invisible presence, but a "virtual" presence as distinguished from a "real" presence. After the 1844 dissapointment John B. Cook and some of his associates (not SDA) suggested that Christ had indeed arrived, but invisibly.

  Non-Adventists such as Shimeall and Seiss (Presbyterian and Lutheran) and many other prominent clergy taught a two-stage intially invisible presence. That was Russell and Barbour's doctrine. Russell believed that until 1881 when he postulated a totally invisible presence. Russell's pyramid beliefs have lost their context for most who post here. When Smyth published his book in 1864, many serious scholars, including the great archaeologist Flinders Petrie were taken with it. Petrie had the good sense to check the data and pronounced it nonsense, but he did believe it for a while.

  Pyramidology was widely believed when Russell was introduced to it. Clarence Larkin, the Baptist expositor, believed it. Joseph Seiss, still well respected for his commentary on Revelation, believed it. Thomas de Witt Talmage believed it. No one notices that. Russell was not exceptional in this. He was a man of his times. If we see it as supersititon now, it was not then. The problem is that he didn't follow Petrie and examine it up close and personally. Even a trip to the pyramid didn't change his mind.